Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/28/1998 09:15 AM Senate FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                       
28 March, 1998                                                                 
9:15 a.m.                                                                      
                                                                               
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Bert Sharp, Co-Chair, convened the meeting at                          
approximately 9:15 a.m.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
PRESENT                                                                        
                                                                               
In addition to Co-Chair Sharp, Senators Pearce, Adams and                      
Parnell were present when the meeting was convened.                            
                                                                               
Also Attending:  ANNALEE MCCONNELL, Director, Office of                        
Management and Budget, Office of the Governor; JOAN BROWN,                     
Budget Analyst, OMB; DWAYNE PEEPLES, Division of                               
Administrative Services, Department of Corrections; JOE                        
REEVES, Deputy Director/ASM, Division of Administrative                        
Services, DOC;  KAREN REHFELD, Director, Division of                           
Education Support Services; Department of Education; KAREN                     
CRANE, Governor's Advisory Council on Libraries, Division of                   
Libraries, Archives and Museums, DOE; EDDY JEANS, Manager,                     
School Finance Section, DESS, DOE; DIANE BARRANS, Executive                    
Director, PostSecondary Education Commission, DOE; KEITH                       
KELTON, Director, Division of Facility Construction and                        
Operations, Department of Environmental Conservation; MIKE                     
BURNS, Section Chief, Municipal Grants and Loans, DFC&O,                       
DEC; ALICE EDWARDS, Advanced Technology and Development,                       
Environmental Specialist, Air Quality Improvement, Division                    
of Air and Water Quality; DEC; KURT FREDRIKSSON, Director,                     
Division of Spill Prevention and Response, DEC; JANET                          
CLARKE, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                         
Department of Health and Social Services; KEVIN BROOKS,                        
Director, Division of Administrative Services, Department of                   
Fish and Game; NICO BUS, Administrative Services Manager,                      
Division of Support Services, Department of Military and                       
Veterans Affairs and Department of Natural Resources; JEFF                     
JAHNKE, State Forester, Division of Forestry, DNR; TRACI                       
CRAMER, Member, Exxon Valdez Trustee Council; MIKE GREANY,                     
Director, Division of Legislative Finance; JIM HAUCK, Fiscal                   
Analyst, DLF; and aides to committee members and other                         
members of the Legislature.                                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
via Teleconference: from Seward: FRED ESPOSITO, Director,                      
Alaska Vocational and Technical Education Center; from                         
Anchorage: JANICE ADAIR, Director, Division of Environmental                   
Health, Department of Environmental Conservation; CURT                         
FREDRICKSON, Food Safety Laboratory, DEC; RANDALL BURNS,                       
Director, Alaska Psychiatric Institute, Division of Mental                     
Health and Developmental Disabilities, Department of Health                    
and Social Services; DEAN BROWN, Deputy Director, Division                     
of Forestry, Department of Natural Resources; from Kenai:                      
JIM HARPING, Division of Emergency Services, Department of                     
Military and Veterans Affairs; from Fairbanks: MILT WILTSE,                    
Director, Division of Geological and Geophysical Surveys,                      
DNR; from Matsu: ROBERT WELLS, Director, Division of                           
Agriculture, DNR;                                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                            
                                                                               
Note: tape malfunction on tape #104 - some discussion lost                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 230                                                            
"An Act making appropriations for the operating and                            
capital expenses of the state's integrated                                     
comprehensive mental health program; and providing for                         
an effective date."                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 231                                                            
"An Act making and amending capital appropriations and                         
reappropriations and capitalizing funds; and providing                         
for an effective date."                                                        
                                                                               
The purpose of this meeting was to hear testimony from                         
departments on the Governor's proposed FY99 Capital projects                   
and the Mental Health Trust Fund projects.  Co-Chair Sharp                     
announced that the departments giving presentations today                      
would be as follows:  Department of Corrections; Department                    
of Education; Department of Environmental Conservation;                        
Office of the Governor; Department of Fish and Game;                           
Department of Health and Social Services; Department of                        
Military and Veterans Affairs; and Department of Natural                       
Resources.                                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp clarified comments made during the March 21                     
meeting on these bills regarding the AIDEA funds.  He stated                   
the intent of the committee was not to automatically shelve                    
projects with AIDEA fund assignments.  The committee however                   
would not be granting any AIDEA funding.  He encouraged                        
departments with AIDEA-slated projects to prioritize all                       
their requests and the committee would attempt to address                      
the most critical projects and secure funding regardless of                    
their original fund assignments. They would make an extra                      
effort to include those projects that are of high priority.                    
He noted that those currently designated AIDEA projects                        
would face challenges but wanted to reassure that the                          
projects could still go forth with other funds.                                
                                                                               
The committee started by hearing testimony from the                            
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS on their projects listed in the                      
FY99 Capital Budget packet.                                                    
                                                                               
DWAYNE PEEPLES and JOE REEVES were invited to come to the                      
table and speak on behalf of DOC.                                              
                                                                               
First to be addressed was DEFERRRED MAINTENANCE, REPAIR,                       
RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT.  Mr. Peeples told the committee the                   
request was for $800,000 General Funds for an emergency                        
maintenance repair fund from which they fund three staff.                      
                                                                               
Senator Phillips asked why the staff positions were included                   
in the Capital budget rather than the Operating budget.  Mr.                   
Peeples responded that because the work the employees were                     
doing was primarily Capital projects, their positions were                     
funded from the Capital budget.                                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked what the project was funded in FY98.                      
Mr. Peeples informed him the amount was $900,000.                              
                                                                               
The second DOC request was CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION                        
SYSTEM INTEGRATION.  Mr. Peeples testified the main purpose                    
of this project was to make it possible to effectively                         
manage the operational, budget, and planning activities of                     
the DOC.                                                                       
                                                                               
A written statement was included in the budget request and                     
it said: "This includes: creating and maintaining                              
applications necessary to manage; presentence                                  
investigations, bookings, custody, classification, time                        
accounting, probation, parole, furlough, program                               
participation, inmate case management, medical records,                        
inmate property accounts, release transactions, automated                      
notifications to victims, communities, and other law                           
enforcement agencies, sex offender registration,                               
transportation, as well as providing the databases needed                      
for budgeting, accountability, and planning purposes for the                   
agency.  The second purpose of this project is for the DOC                     
to be a full partner in feeding information to the                             
Comprehensive Criminal History Repository, being developed                     
cooperatively by the departments of Law, the Courts,                           
Corrections and Public Safety, and maintained by the                           
Department of Public Safety."                                                  
                                                                               
"The third purpose of this project is to allow the DOC to                      
meet legal, statutory requirements for reporting offender                      
information to other agencies such as: the Immigration and                     
Naturalization Service, the Child Enforcement Division, and                    
the Permanent Fund Dividend Program."                                          
                                                                               
"The DOC has in place, WAN/LAN operations at all 32 of its                     
work sites, and is currently reviewing the database needs to                   
replace its old "OBSCIS" system.  These funds would help the                   
agency finalize its replacement of the old system and help                     
cover the purchase of LAN replacement equipment as                             
necessary."                                                                    
                                                                               
Mr. Peeples said the department was working with the State                     
of Utah to integrate the system their corrections department                   
was using.  This new system would streamline operations.  He                   
indicated DOC had applied for federal funding to make this                     
possible.  They would know by the end of this year whether                     
they had been granted the funds.                                               
                                                                               
He told the committee this would be an on-going project.                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted the wording in the program proposal                       
saying, "will help complete."  He wondered if this request,                    
if granted, would be the only funds needed, or would the                       
department be coming back in future fiscal years for                           
additional funding for this project.  Mr. Peeples responded                    
that it depended upon the federal funding.  He speculated                      
that if DOC received the federal receipts, there would be no                   
need for additional monies from the State.                                     
                                                                               
The committee moved to the next DOC project, CORRECTIONS                       
REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT.  Mr. Peeples summarized the purpose                     
of this on-going project, which was to replace essential                       
security, live/safety, medical and roads/grounds maintenance                   
equipment throughout all work sites in the agency.                             
                                                                               
The following written statement was submitted to the                           
committee by the department:  "The DOC has approximately                       
$16.5 million in state-owned equipment assets.  Replacement                    
of old and worn out equipment has been deferred for many                       
years; however, further deferring this replacement will                        
reduce security, decrease food service, and other day-to day                   
operations capability and require repairs which are not as                     
cost effective."                                                               
                                                                               
"This project funds the replacement of antiquated capital                      
equipment at institutions throughout the state.  It also                       
included some new purchases of necessary maintenance,                          
grounds keeping, snow removal, and kitchen equipment.  All                     
institutions operate 24 hours a day, 365 days per year, This                   
equipment is used constantly and continually.  Their                           
sustained usage requires budgeting for routing replacement                     
of old and worn out equipment every fiscal year."                              
                                                                               
There were no questions by committee members and they moved                    
to the fourth item in the DOC budget packet, DATA                              
PROCESSSING TECHNICAL SUPPORT.  Mr. Peeples explained that                     
this project would use $300,000 in federal receipts to                         
provide personal services funding for the agency's WAS/LAN                     
data and word processing technical staff for FY99.                             
                                                                               
The written comments the department provided said:  "In                        
FY97, the agency was authorized additional micro/network                       
computer technicians and specialist to support the new                         
management information system development and operations                       
using federal funding received from the federal Criminal                       
Alien support program.  This project provides the                              
continuation of the federal funding program support for the                    
positions in FY99."                                                            
                                                                               
"The agency has completed wiring and hardware infrastructure                   
development of a new wide area network (WAN) and local area                    
networks (LAN) management information system (MIS)                             
throughout all 32 agency work sites.  The micro/network                        
computer positions provide critically needed program support                   
to these new WAN/LAN systems.  Without the funding for the                     
positions, the agency could not maintain these MIS database                    
operations and would fail to meet responsibilities to the                      
coordinated statewide criminal justice information system                      
and other state, federal and local reporting requirements."                    
                                                                               
Mr. Peeples said the department qualified for the federal                      
Alien Act funding because of the non-citizens the department                   
was holding in the system.                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted how five positions were supported with                    
these federal funds.                                                           
                                                                               
The committee then addressed the final DOC request,                            
COMMUNITY JAILS SECURITY AND EXPANSION PROJECTS. Mr. Peeples                   
told the committee how DOC was under contract with local                       
governments for 15 jails across the state.  If this request                    
was granted, he said the monies would be used for                              
maintenance of the existing facilities and possibly to fund                    
new ones.                                                                      
                                                                               
The budget packet contained written comments on this item,                     
which said: "Local governments operate community jail                          
facilities in 15 statewide locations.  The DOC contracts                       
with each local government to house prisoners who are held                     
under State charges.  Most of the locations have facility                      
needs; however, five currently involve immediately needed                      
fire/life safety requirements and expansion efforts are                        
currently being reviewed in another three areas: Dillingham                    
$40.9 Renovation and Remodeling; Haines $11.2 Renovations;                     
Seward $17.8 Renovations; Sitka $5.0 Intercoms; Wrangell                       
$5.1 Miscellaneous safety equipment; $120.0 miscellaneous                      
statewide locations, life safety/security items to address                     
expansion of current contract jail locations.  Currently                       
reviewing Toksook Bay, Hoonah, and Hooper Bay for expansion                    
of community jail locations."                                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know if in the past, the state                        
provided funds for these projects.  Mr. Peeples replied DOE                    
had been working with the communities for the past two                         
years.                                                                         
                                                                               
This concluded the presentation by DOC.  Co-Chair Sharp                        
announced items included in the supplemental budget packet                     
would be taken up at next Saturday's meeting.                                  
                                                                               
The committee invited DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                  
representatives to come to the table and speak to their                        
requests included in the FY99 Governor's Capital Budget                        
book.                                                                          
                                                                               
KAREN REHFELD outlined the different requests and said they                    
would give presentations in a different order than listed in                   
the budget packet.                                                             
                                                                               
She introduced KAREN CRANE who was present to answer any                       
questions the committee may have regarding the library-                        
related items, which were to be addressed first.                               
                                                                               
Ms. Crane gave a brief history of the funding sources used                     
by the Division of Libraries, Archives and Museums for                         
LIBRARY MATERIALS, the first item addressed.                                   
                                                                               
She expanded on a written statement included in the budget                     
packet, which read, "Until FY96 library materials were                         
funded from capital funds.  Originally funded at about                         
$350.0 a year, this amount was reduced in the 1990's, until                    
in FY96, the State Library received no funds.  IN FY97, the                    
Governor's operating budget included $200.0 for materials                      
but this was reduced to $100.0 by the Legislature.  The                        
State Library cannot buy even the critically essential                         
materials to serve the needs of agency and legislative                         
staff.  Periodical prices have risen 150% in the past 10                       
years; book prices 80%.  It is most cost effective for the                     
state to centralize information services, but the State                        
Library can respond to agency needs only if it is able to                      
acquire the needed materials.  This Capital amount is                          
critical to meeting these needs."                                              
                                                                               
She explained this statement as basically saying that                          
because the program was only funded at 50% in the operating                    
budget, the division was asking for the remaining $100,000                     
granted from the capital budget.  She told committee members                   
that because of the shortfall in recent years, the library                     
had been unable to purchase important historical records.                      
She gave as an example, a collection of materials once                         
belonging to Joe Juneau that the library was able to                           
purchase in the past.  Without this additional funding, the                    
library would not be able to make similar purchases, which                     
she described as vital to the history of the state.  By                        
granting the capital budget request, Ms. Crane emphasized,                     
the library would be able to keep pace with periodical                         
material and also purchase historical material.                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked for clarification that the FY99                           
operating budget contained a request of $100,000 for this                      
project.  Ms. Crane agreed that amount was being requested.                    
                                                                               
The second DOE item to be addressed was AVTEC FOOD SERVICES                    
BUILDING - ROOF, RENOVATION AND UPGRADE.  FRED ESPOSITO was                    
linked to the meeting via teleconference and spoke to this                     
request.                                                                       
                                                                               
He told committee members that this building located on the                    
Alaska Vocational and Technical Education Center campus was                    
in various states of disrepair.  Among other problems, the                     
roof leaked.  The DOE was asking for $100,000 in FY99 for                      
this planned, phased project.  This request would fund the                     
repair of major roof leakage in one AVTEC Food Services                        
classroom, the cafeteria, and kitchen for a total of 9,400                     
square feet.                                                                   
                                                                               
There were no questions on this request and the committee                      
moved ahead to LIBRARY - STATEWIDE LIBRARY ELECTRONIC                          
DOORWAY [SLED].                                                                
                                                                               
A written statement in the Governor's proposed budget packet                   
explained SLED as follows: "Through a cooperative venture                      
between the University of Alaska Fairbanks and the State                       
Library, SLED provides Internet access to communities across                   
Alaska.  SLED provided access to a wide range of materials,                    
including the legislature and its on-line information,;                        
basic government, education, medical and legal information;                    
and major library collections in Alaska and the United                         
States, including the holdings of the Library of Congress.                     
This access reduces the information inequities between the                     
urban and rural areas of Alaska.  Since its inception in                       
FY95, SLED has received funding from the state, libraries,                     
and the private sector."                                                       
                                                                               
Ms. Crane told the committee members that most rural                           
communities had access material through SLED because they                      
did not have Internet capabilities.  She said most of the                      
money required to operate this on-going program went toward                    
telecommunication costs.  She added that SLED received about                   
1700 "hits" per month.                                                         
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if this request was also included in                      
last year's Governor's packet.  Ms. Crane replied that it                      
was.                                                                           
                                                                               
Ms. Rehfeld began discussion on the next DOE request,                          
VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION HOME MODIFICATIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS                   
WITH DISABILITIES.  She told the committee the $150,000                        
requested here would be used to provide grants to non-profit                   
organizations for home modifications for individuals with                      
disabilities throughout the state.  If approved, this would                    
be considered a new, on-going project.                                         
                                                                               
She spoke of the importance for many individuals with                          
disabilities to remain in their own homes and live                             
independently.  DOE included written comments, which said,                     
"These modifications will enable the individuals to continue                   
to live in their homes independently and, in some cases,                       
will enable individuals to go to work.  Without basic living                   
needs addressed first the individuals cannot consider                          
employment."                                                                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked why this program would be run through                     
the DOE.  Ms. Rehfeld answer was that the Division of                          
Vocational Rehabilitation is part of DOE.  Senator Parnell                     
wanted to know if other funding for this project was                           
provided through the Alaska Housing Finance Committee.  Co-                    
Chair Sharp said there was other funding for similar                           
projects.  Senator Parnell noted that he was aware of other                    
grants issued by AHFC for home modifications.  Ms. Rehfeld                     
said she wasn't familiar with AHFC programs and could not                      
speak to the issue.  Co-Chair Sharp told the committee they                    
would get more details on AHFC programs at a later meeting                     
and concluded the discussion on this budget request.                           
                                                                               
The final item in the DOE request was ALASKA COMMISSION ON                     
POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION COMPUTER REPLACEMENT.  DIANE BARRONS                   
came to the table to testify for this item.                                    
                                                                               
She started out by bringing a budget modification to the                       
committee's attention.  She said $63,000 of the original                       
request was devoted to other data.  The PostSecondary                          
Education Commission was able to work out an agreement with                    
Division of Motor Vehicles to tag those functions onto their                   
system.  Therefore, they would no longer need those funds.                     
                                                                               
The remainder of the funds would be used to "upgrade and                       
replace computer equipment to enhance delivery of                              
postsecondary education finance programs to consumers,"                        
according to the written comments included in the budget                       
packet.  Other included comments said, "Essential Equipment                    
- During FY96 the agency successfully converted to a new                       
data processing system.  This system places many highly                        
manual administrative processes with an automated paperless                    
system.  Further, automation and efficiency is possible if                     
staff is properly equipped with appropriate equipment.  This                   
capital project allows continuation of the agency's five-                      
year replacement plan by upgrading and replacing its local                     
area network peripheral equipment to current technology.                       
This will allow continued development of LAN based                             
subsystems to speed the delivery of the agency's education                     
finance programs to its constituents.  Items purchased with                    
this capital project include: PCs; printers; and a modern e-                   
mail system."                                                                  
                                                                               
This concluded the presentation from DOE on their budget                       
proposals for FY99.                                                            
                                                                               
The committee then took up the requests from the DEPARTMENT                    
OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION.                                                 
                                                                               
KEITH KELTON AND MIKE BURNS spoke to a group of budget                         
requests that would fund the VILLAGE SAFE WATER PROJECT.                       
The department provided a written statement explaining the                     
project that read, in part:                                                    
                                                                               
"The Village Safe Water priority list proposes funding for                     
projects as follows:                                                           
  Federal Receipts (EPA)  $11,843.3                                            
  General Fund      8,081.1                                                    
  AK Housing Finance Corp   16,351.0                                           
    Total   $36,275.4                                                          
                                                                               
In addition, the list identifies federal funding from the                      
Rural Development Administration for $10,000.0. These funds                    
are awarded directly by RDA to the communities and authority                   
to receive and expand is not required.  However, the use of                    
these funds does require a state dollar-for-dollar match.                      
Therefore, the state funding request includes match for both                   
the RDA and EPA construction appropriations totaling                           
$22,708.3 from a combination of General Fund and AHFC                          
receipts.  The state appropriation request also includes                       
funding for capital improvement project (CIP) administration                   
of $1,723.8."                                                                  
                                                                               
"...The VSW program provides technical and financial support                   
to rural villages in the construction of water, wastewater                     
and solid waste facilities.  By statute (AS 46.07), a                          
village is defined as "an unincorporated community which has                   
between 25 and 600 people residing within a two mile radius                    
or a second class city, or a first class city with not more                    
than 600 residents."  The VSW program, with a staff of 20,                     
works with village officials to plan, design and construct                     
approximately $45.0 million of projects annually.  The                         
funding for this program has been a combination of federal                     
and state matching funds.  Ownership of a project is                           
transferred to the village when it is completed with the                       
village responsible for the operation and maintenance (O&M)                    
of the utility."                                                               
                                                                               
"VSW projects are closely coordinated with other state and                     
federal agencies, particularly the principal federal funding                   
agencies: US Public Health Service (PHS), the US                               
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the Rural                           
Development Administration (RDA).  The VSW program and PHS                     
work on jointly funded projects, sharing funds and project                     
leadership, depending on the agency's history in working                       
with a particular village."                                                    
                                                                               
"The VSW program develops an annual project priority list                      
based on information submitted via questionnaires completed                    
by the villages.  These proposed projects are ranked                           
according to a criteria system that considers principally                      
hazards to health and environment, and the village's                           
capability to manage O&M.  The ranked priority list is                         
submitted through the Governor's Office to the Legislature                     
for funding.  The Legislature determines the level of                          
funding available, taking into consideration the federal                       
dollars available to match state appropriations."                              
                                                                               
Mr. Kelton told the committee the department was requesting                    
$10,428,800 in General Funds for the VSW ADMINISTRATION.                       
This amount would be spread out over a six-year period and                     
was a one-time project.                                                        
                                                                               
Mr. Kelton then explained the request for VSW FEASIBILITY                      
STUDY GRANTS.  The $5,902,700 General Fund requested was to                    
match federal funding of the same amount and be allocated                      
over the next six years.                                                       
                                                                               
Written testimony provided by DEC said, "The VSW program                       
encourages communities to analyze their sanitation problems                    
and develop cost effective solutions through engineering                       
feasibility studies before requesting construction dollars                     
through the capital budget process.  This approach results                     
in better capital and operation and maintenance cost                           
estimates.  This initial step also encourages the                              
communities to become more involved in planning the                            
facilities they will eventually own and operate.  Planning                     
periods periodically take from 12 to 18 months to complete                     
providing the opportunity to develop additional utility                        
operating capacity through the Department of Community and                     
Regional Affairs Remote Utility Business Advisor program."                     
                                                                               
Mr. Kelton pointed out for committee members the FY99                          
priority list, which identified 20 engineering feasibility                     
studies for a total cost of $1,805.4, split evenly between                     
state and federal funding.  He went into some detail about                     
the priorities.  Co-Chair Sharp announced this list was                        
located in the smaller, "Budget Overview" binder.                              
                                                                               
He then spoke of the next two requests, VSW GRANTS MATCHED                     
BY FEDERAL RDA and VSW GRANTS MATCHED BY FEDERAL EPA.  These                   
were both one-time projects spread out over six years.  The                    
RDA match project would require $25,160,400 AHFC funds and                     
$34,839,600 General Funds.  The EPA match project would                        
require $65,190,600 AHFC funds and $750,000 General Funds to                   
match $65,940,600 Federal receipts.                                            
                                                                               
DEC written comments stated, "Federal funding in support of                    
the VSW program has been primarily in the form of matching                     
appropriations obtained by Alaska's congressional                              
delegation.  These funds have been appropriated through the                    
US EPA and RDA.  In addition, the Indian Set-Aside program                     
provides funding for projects administered by VSW and PHS.                     
Each appropriation carries the eligibility and matching fund                   
requirements corresponding to the federal program                              
administering the funding.  The match requirements range                       
from zero with the Indian Set-Aside program to 50/50 with                      
RDA and EPA appropriations.  RDA funds can be used to fund                     
water, wastewater and solid waste projects, while EPA funds                    
are available only for water and wastewater projects.  RDA                     
funding is granted directly to communities and authority to                    
receive and expend funds is not required.  Authority is                        
required to receive and expend EAP funding."                                   
                                                                               
"It is anticipated that federal appropriations of $15,000.0                    
and $10,000.0 for EPA and RDA respectively will be available                   
for technical assistance training and education as well as                     
construction.  The amount available for construction                           
requiring a state match is $21,843.3."                                         
                                                                               
The next request was for a total of $3,365,000 General Funds                   
for VSW PROJECTS WITHOUT MATCH.  Again, this would be spread                   
out over a six-year period and would be a one-time project.                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if these monies would be used for                         
municipal matching.  Mr. Kelton replied the funds would go                     
toward specific loan programs for communities that could re-                   
pay the loans.                                                                 
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know if the loans were processed                      
through DEC, which Mr. Kelton assured him they were.                           
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp then requested a breakdown of projects by EPA                   
and RDA funding.  Mr. Kelton told him that determining the                     
eligibility of funds for each project was convoluted.  He                      
expanded on the written comments explaining the types of                       
projects the different funding sources would cover.  He                        
talked about the geographical and economical restrictions.                     
Some funds were limited to the western Alaska region, other                    
funds could not be granted to communities with a per capita                    
income that exceeded $40,000.                                                  
                                                                               
Mr. Kelton moved ahead to the next DEC request, DENALI                         
BOROUGH LANDFILL PROJECT, PHASE II.                                            
                                                                               
He told the committee the $865,000 General Funds, if                           
granted, would allow for the construction of two transfer                      
stations, one each in Cantwell and Healy.  Each would                          
include 10-yard dumpsters, lighting and a small heated shack                   
for a cashier/operator.  The funding would also include                        
closing the Anderson and Cantwell dumps.                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp directed the discussion back to VSW.  He                        
wanted to know if the totals were targeted to rural areas by                   
federal procedure.  Mr. Kelton responded, telling the                          
committee how Senator Ted Stevens targeted rural or Native                     
villages.  He admitted that there was a fairly broad area                      
that the department could apply the criteria.  He talked of                    
the difficulty in coming up with the ratio of projects that                    
would still keep the program viable.                                           
                                                                               
Mr. Kelton spoke of the Administration Match, how water and                    
sewer hook-ups would provide better health care conditions.                    
He again referred to the list showing the 20 feasibility                       
studies.  He talked of DEC's efforts with DCRA to work with                    
communities to get infrastructures set up and staff properly                   
trained so the local community could take over and run the                     
projects.  He emphasized this method of addressing the                         
matter had proven very successful.                                             
                                                                               
The committee then resumed talk on the Denali Landfill.  Mr.                   
Kelton explained how Phase III of the project was for the                      
actual construction.                                                           
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked for clarification that this project had                   
already gone through the planning stage and is ready for                       
construction.  He wanted to know if it was "bid-ready."  Mr.                   
Kelton said that while the project wasn't "bid-ready,"                         
construction was anticipated to begin next summer.  He                         
explained that because of the timing of the fiscal year                        
funds dispersal and the short construction season, it would                    
not be feasible to plan the construction this summer.  He                      
told the committee, one of the concerns was the timing of                      
the river barges that would deliver materials to the                           
construction site. There would be a risk of missing the                        
period of high water level, and once missed, the chance was                    
lost for the year.                                                             
                                                                               
There were no further questions and the committee addressed                    
the next DEC item, MUNCICPAL MATCHING GRANTS PROGRAM.  Mr.                     
Kelton told the committee this program consisted of two                        
funding sources, $2,117,200 Federal Receipts and $14,633,600                   
General Fund.  Some of the federal funds were available                        
through the EPA for Native and rural Alaskan water and                         
wastewater projects.  The majority of those were committed                     
to VSW projects, however, five projects from the MMG program                   
priority list qualified for these funds.  They were the ones                   
listed in this request showing a federal match.  This                          
request also included other projects, listed by priority,                      
and proposed to receive general funds.  He pointed out the                     
priority list of projects included in the budget packet.                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked about municipal match requirements.                       
Mr. Kelton responded that the municipalities would have to                     
come up with a match to qualify for the grants.                                
                                                                               
Senator Adams wanted to know about rural communities'                          
qualification for these grants.  Mr. Kelton told him the                       
department would need to work with the applying community to                   
help them improve their infrastructure.                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp referred back to an earlier discussion the                      
Finance Committee had regarding a program to train                             
communities to establish and run their infrastructure.  Mr.                    
Kelton replied that DCRA had a program titled RUBA which ran                   
in conjunction with DEC's program, to accomplish the same                      
goal.                                                                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if the department kept track of the                       
facilities built over the years in which the community had                     
abandoned because of a failure to run a feasible                               
infrastructure.  He wanted this information as it applied to                   
the VSW project.  He emphasized that the reason for his                        
interest in tracking the successes and failures of these                       
projects was because of the significant amount of money                        
being spent.  He noted that it comprised a large percentage                    
of the Capital Budget.                                                         
                                                                               
The committee took up the next DEC budget item, FOOD SERVICE                   
LABORAROTY.  CURT FREDRIKSSON and JANICE ADAIR joined the                      
committee via teleconference from Anchorage.  Ms. Adair told                   
how the lease was about to expire, and after 25 years in the                   
same location, the facility was no longer adequate to serve                    
the needs of the department.  Of particular importance, was                    
the demands placed on the microbiology program, which did                      
not function well at the current facility.  She said the                       
$145,700 General Funds would be used to evaluate the                           
replacement options and prepare the department to pursue the                   
most effective replacement solution                                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked when the current lease would expire.                      
Ms. Adair answered this June.                                                  
                                                                               
The next DEC budget request was addressed, ELECTRONIC ACCESS                   
TO DOMESTIC WASTEWATER PROPERTY FILES.  Ms. Adair explained                    
to the committee how this database would contain the                           
information in DEC's domestic wastewater files for use by                      
engineers, realtors, developers, lenders, homebuyers and                       
sellers.  This data was accessed continually and needed to                     
be easier for the public to use, she stressed.                                 
                                                                               
Written comments included in the budget packet stated, "The                    
data would be available my modem, compatible with various                      
municipalities' GIS systems and searchable by property                         
description, address, system types, owner name, and other                      
fields as necessary.  DEC staff would maintain the system.                     
                                                                               
Ms. Adair said the project would be funded with $200,000                       
AHFC funds and would be a one-time project.                                    
                                                                               
The committee heard testimony from ALICE EDWARDS on the next                   
item, FINE PARTICULATE MONITORING.  Ms. Edwards went into                      
detail explaining the need for this project.  She said, in                     
part, that the US EPA required the state to install and                        
operate particular matter (PM) 2.5 monitoring stations                         
throughout Alaska.  Particulate matter of less than 2.5                        
microns is a product of combustion and is linked to numerous                   
adverse health impacts, according to Ms. Edwards.  The                         
division was requesting $3,077,200, over a six-year span for                   
this one-time project.                                                         
                                                                               
In a statement prepared by DEC, the issue was further                          
explained as follows, "The project is requested to enable                      
the department to better protect Alaskan residents from the                    
harmful effects of long-term exposure to fine particulate                      
matter (smaller than 2.5 microns).  Fine particulate matter                    
is a product of combustion; common sources include cars,                       
trucks, oil- or coal-fired power plants, natural sources                       
(such as volcanoes), and oil-fired home heating systems.                       
Recent health research has linked low concentrations of fine                   
particulate pollution to increased incidents of respiratory                    
and heart disease, school absenteeism, hospital visits,                        
cancer in women and premature death.  Medical researchers                      
have shown that fine particles penetrated deep into the                        
lungs and, although the mechanism is not fully understood,                     
cause health impacts, which now rank fine particulates among                   
the top five harmful pollutants.  EPA's new PM 2.5                             
regulation requires the state to install and operate PM 2.5                    
samplers for a minimum of three years.  EPA will totally                       
fund this monitoring under Section 103 Grant - no state                        
match is required.  The funding will be used to procure,                       
install and operate PM 2.5 monitoring networks across the                      
state to meet the department's mission of protecting public                    
health."                                                                       
                                                                               
Ms. Edwards listed for the committee what the funding for                      
this project would accomplish.  She said the division would                    
procure, install, operate and repair PM 2.5 particulate                        
samples in 15 rural and urban sites across the state.  They                    
would monitor and analyze the filters and establish                            
regulations working with local governments to develop air                      
quality standards, and develop a health advisory                               
notification system to warn the public when conditions                         
become unhealthy; and train state and local air quality                        
staff.                                                                         
                                                                               
Senator Adams voiced concerns about the air quality in many                    
rural areas in the state.  He asked how this program would                     
be applied to rural communities.  Ms. Edwards told him the                     
department's first priority would be to address the larger,                    
urban communities because they were subjected to higher                        
amounts of pollution.  The department would attempt to                         
establish monitoring stations in some rural areas after the                    
urban needs were met.                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams noted the funding for this program was                           
proposed to continue for six years.  He directed the                           
department to spend some of the resources on rural                             
communities.  Of particular concern to him was the Village                     
of Nuigsut, where emissions from the North Slope oil                           
activities cast a yellow cloud over the community.                             
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp told the committee that his concerns related                    
to the possibility of future funding requirements of the                       
state to maintain and operate the monitoring stations after                    
they are installed.  He understood that federal receipts                       
were paying for the start-up costs, but said he didn't want                    
the state, because it accepted the federal funds, to be                        
required to financially support the program later.                             
                                                                               
This concluded the discussion on the air quality issue and                     
the committee moved on to the next DEC item, LOCAL RESPONSE                    
AGREEMENTS.  Mr. Fredriksson spoke on this program where the                   
department had entered into agreements with fifteen local                      
governments to use their emergency response resources to                       
respond to oil spills.  Under these agreements, DEC                            
reimbursed local governments for actual costs incurred while                   
responding to a spill.  The department anticipated entering                    
into agreements with additional communities, Mr. Fredriksson                   
explained.                                                                     
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked for an explanation of the Oil/Hazardous                    
Fund, used for this program.  Mr. Fredriksson told him the                     
fund consisted of two accounts.  The Response account, with                    
a balance of $50 million, is earned from a two-cent per                        
barrel surcharge imposed on produced crude oil.  The other                     
part of the fund, the Prevention account, charged three-                       
cents per barrel on produced crude oil.  Senator Adams, Co-                    
Chair Sharp and Mr. Fredriksson had further discussion on                      
the statutes dictating this fund.                                              
                                                                               
The committee then addressed the next group of DEC requests                    
relating to fuel storage tanks.                                                
                                                                               
The first item was, UPGRADE, CLOSURE OR REPLACEMENT OF                         
STATE-OWNED UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.  Mr. Fredriksson told                   
the committee the department was requesting $4,428,900                         
Oil/Hazardous Funds over the next two fiscal years.  These                     
funds would be used for the upgrade, replacement or                            
permanent closure of sub-standard state-owned underground                      
storage tanks.  These tanks store petroleum for essential                      
services such as power generation, emergency power backup,                     
vehicle and equipment fueling.  Tanks were located at                          
approximately 85 different facilities, many of them in rural                   
communities.                                                                   
                                                                               
The department included with its request, a complete list of                   
the tanks slated for this project.                                             
                                                                               
Senator Pearce asked if the department's intent was to have                    
all state-owned tanks cleaned up by 1999.  Mr. Fredriksson                     
affirmed that.                                                                 
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked for clarification of "state-owned"                        
facilities.  Mr. Fredriksson explained that DEC had entered                    
into agreement with other departments to address the needs                     
of fuel tanks owned by those departments.  He gave                             
Department of Education's state-owned school facilities as                     
one example.  The other agencies were, Administration, Fish                    
& Game, Natural Resources, Public Safety, Transportation and                   
University of Alaska.  By consolidating the efforts into one                   
department, the state would save considerable costs,                           
according to Mr. Fredriksson.                                                  
                                                                               
The second item was for the CLEANUP OF STATE-OWNED                             
CONTAMINATED SITES.                                                            
                                                                               
Written testimony provided by DEC said, "Over 250 state-                       
owned contaminated sites are listed on DEC's Contaminated                      
Sites Database.  These sites are located on lands owned by a                   
variety of state agencies.  While many of the sites are                        
being addressed by a responsible party other than the state                    
(i.e., an oil company on state-leased property), many of                       
them were actually created by a state agency or third party                    
that is not taking action to address the contamination."                       
                                                                               
"This CIP will address some of the most threatening                            
contaminated sites for which the state is directly                             
responsible.  The work involves assessments of the type of                     
contaminants, the location (how far have they spread, is                       
groundwater affected, etc.), cleanup, and where possible,                      
cost recovery.  While priorities may shift slightly, sites                     
proposed for work under this request are: Anaik White Alice                    
- School Facility; Aniak Airport Building 302; Deadhorse                       
Hotel Property; Arctic Coiled Tubing; Old Coldweather                          
Contractors; Peger Road Maintenance Station; Haines Fuel                       
Terminal; Pedro Bay School; Manokotak School and Kaltag                        
School."                                                                       
                                                                               
Mr. Fredriksson told the committee the department was                          
requesting $6,739,000 Oil/Hazardous Funds, over the next                       
four years for this one-time project.                                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp stated that while he saw the proposed                           
projects listed, there were no dollar amounts showing the                      
costs for each site.  Mr. Fredriksson told the committee he                    
would provide a breakdown.                                                     
                                                                               
The committee had further discussion on the particular                         
projects selected for this program.                                            
                                                                               
The next item was then addressed; UPGRADE, CLOSURE OR                          
REPLACEMENT OF PRIVATELY-OWNED UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.                      
Mr. Fredriksson said the department, under this program,                       
intended to issue grants to minimize the financial burden                      
imposed on tank owners and operators by federal and state                      
requirements.  The request was for $14,823,500 over a three-                   
year period of time.                                                           
                                                                               
He pointed out that the department provided a list of                          
proposed projects and their ranking.                                           
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked how much money had been spent to date on                   
this project.  Mr. Fredriksson replied approximately $20                       
million.                                                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked what spending account would be used to                    
pay for this project.  Mr. Fredriksson told him the name of                    
the account was called Storage Tank Assistance Fund.                           
                                                                               
The next storage tank item addressed was the UPGRADE OF                        
STATE-OWNED ABOVEGROUND STORAGE TANKS.  Mr. Fredriksson told                   
the committee the purpose of this program was to improve                       
bulk fuel storage conditions at state-owned or operated                        
facilities by repairing, upgrading, replacing and/or                           
consolidating aboveground storage tank facilities. He said                     
the main focus of the program was spill prevention.                            
                                                                               
Another function of the program would be to initiate                           
training programs for state, local and private operators.                      
Mr. Fredriksson stated there was a real problem, especially                    
in rural areas, with operator error.  The situation could be                   
helped if the operators were properly trained.  In addition,                   
he added, these trained operators would be ideal candidates                    
to run their local Emergency Response Program.                                 
                                                                               
The department requested $6,400,000 Oil/Hazardous Funds over                   
the next four years.  A list of the proposed projects was                      
included with the budget request.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked how much had been spent for private                        
owners' upgrades or repairs because state or federal                           
standards that changed since the tanks were purchased.  Mr.                    
Fredriksson assured him that the tanks addressed in this                       
request were very large, bulk-fuel facilities, which were                      
not usually found in most rural communities.  He said the                      
smaller, privately-owned tanks Senator Adams was referring                     
to, fell under different guidelines and funding was                            
available through Department of Community and Regional                         
Affairs to bring those tanks up to compliance.  Senator                        
Adams noted there was nothing in statute to govern this.                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp said the program proposed 80% of its funds to                   
REAA school projects.  He asked if there was any funding                       
available for non-REAA schools.  Mr. Fredriksson replied                       
that the department composed a priority list based on the                      
severity of the problem.  He stated that just because a                        
school was not an REAA school, it wasn't automatically                         
excluded.  Co-Chair Sharp admonished that all the schools                      
included were REAA schools and he did not see any                              
participation from communities in those areas.                                 
                                                                               
The next item was for STATE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS RESPONSE.                      
This request asks for $1,500,000 Oil/Hazardous Fund over                       
four years for the establishment of an in-state hazardous                      
materials response team.                                                       
                                                                               
Mr. Fredriksson told the committee this program was to be                      
directed at high-risk areas in the state such as the rail                      
system and the Kenai Peninsula. He stressed that there was a                   
need to take a more defensive posture on this matter.                          
                                                                               
He said the department had reached an agreement with                           
Fairbanks to provide service in the area surrounding that                      
community.  Co-Chair Sharp asked if Fairbanks and Anchorage                    
dealt with emergencies using their existing fire-rescue                        
agencies.  Mr. Fredriksson said that was correct.                              
                                                                               
The committee moved on to the next request, the                                
INVESTIGATION AND CLEANUP OF PRIVATLEY-OWNED CONTAMINATED                      
SITES.  Mr. Fredriksson briefly described the need for this                    
six-year, $12,340,000 Oil/Hazardous Fund appropriation.                        
                                                                               
He said this program would focus on ensuring clean up on                       
contaminated sites that posed the greatest potential threat                    
to public health and the environment, regardless of who                        
owned the sites.  This primarily applied to situations where                   
the property owners either refused, or challenged their                        
responsibility in handling clean-up efforts themselves.  In                    
these cases, DEC would go ahead and perform the clean-up                       
then try to recover the costs at a later date.  Another                        
situation this would cover were those in which no single                       
responsible party could be determined and thus assigned to                     
do the clean up.                                                               
                                                                               
There were no questions and the committee was finished                         
hearing testimony regarding the Oil/Hazardous Fund                             
allocation requests.                                                           
                                                                               
The next DEC item was the COOK INLET WATER QUALITY                             
MONITORING DATABASE.  Written comments included in the                         
budget packet said, "This project is to develop a                              
comprehensive water quality geographic information system                      
(GIS) for Cook Inlet to monitor chronic sources of marine                      
pollution that may be affecting recovery of resources and                      
services injured by the Exxon Valdez oil spill."  The                          
request was $340,000 EVOSS Funds.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked if FY99 was the final year for this                        
program, which Mr. Fredriksson told him it was.                                
                                                                               
The committee then took up the final DEC request included in                   
the FY99 Governor's Budget packet, NATURAL RESOURCES DAMAGE                    
ASSESSMENT PROTOCOL AND GUIDELINES.  Mr. Fredriksson said                      
this project would be funded with EVOSS funds also.                            
                                                                               
The department's written statement said, "An extensive and                     
in-depth scientific research program has been conduced in                      
the wake of the Exxon Valdez oil spill.  While a significant                   
volume of research findings has been accumulated, none of                      
this information has been examined to compare the biological                   
resources damaged, the sampling protocol used to make the                      
initial damage assessment, the process of recovery of these                    
resources or how sampling and assessment should be conducted                   
at future spills to aid in our understanding of damages to                     
the environment.  This multi-year project will review the                      
scientific information, which has been collected since the                     
Exxon Valdez oil spill and evaluate which studies are most                     
relevant to identifying the best means for assessing and                       
evaluating impacts and damages from another large spill."                      
                                                                               
"The project would also include development of scientific                      
sample protocols and guidelines that would be a blueprint                      
for state scientific data collection efforts when a spill                      
occurs.  When a spill occurs it is not possible, during the                    
emergency phase of the response, to collect all of the                         
scientific information that may be needed to quantify                          
damages to natural resources.  It is, therefore, necessary                     
that  sampling protocols and guidelines be developed along                     
with an overall sampling strategy to target what scientific                    
information is most essential to documenting impacts and                       
damages.  Such sampling and assessment protocols may be                        
directed towards overall ecosystem impacts, tropic levels or                   
biological resources.  It would be a guide to sampling                         
efforts that will provide information to the state for                         
recovering damages to state natural resources. The goal of                     
the project would be to achieve the highest dollar value                       
recovery regardless of whether the approach is based on                        
population levels, individual species, or other approaches.                    
A review of past economic evaluation data would also be                        
conduced as part of this project to support an appropriate                     
sampling hierarchy and assessment protocols."                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp admonished that it had been ten years since                     
the Exxon Valdez oil spill and there still was not a                           
finished product on setting the protocol.  He said he found                    
the last sentence of the department's statement interesting.                   
                                                                               
Senator Pearce agreed and asked why DEC didn't have a                          
finished product.  When Mr. Fredriksson said he did not know                   
why, she said she wanted to review what monies had been                        
spent on the program to date before approving any more.  She                   
emphasized that she did not question whether the need was                      
important, just that she would need reassurance that the                       
funds had been put to good use.                                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp added that he realized the funds were                           
considered "free money," but that there should be some                         
accountability and something to show for the expenditures.                     
                                                                               
Mr. Fredriksson attempted to clarify the difference between                    
this program and others which attempted to judge the spill                     
response efforts.  He said this program focused on damage                      
assessment and how it would be determined.                                     
                                                                               
Senator Pearce wondered if the question of damage assessment                   
wasn't already being decided in the court system with                          
litigation from the Exxon Valdez oil spill.                                    
                                                                               
Mr. Fredriksson said this program was an effort to look at                     
the actions of the past ten years and decide what steps to                     
take in future spill situations.  This would include what                      
samples should be taken and other processes that proved                        
successful in making assessments of the damages from the                       
Exxon spill.  He stressed that the intent was not to                           
determine whether or not the participating parties in the                      
Exxon spill clean up did a good job, but that the intent was                   
to plan for future incidents.                                                  
                                                                               
This concluded the presentation from DEC.  Co-Chair Sharp                      
called for a break at approximately 10:40 a.m.  He announced                   
his intention of adjourning the meeting at 1:00 p.m. and                       
asked further speakers to be concise and brief.                                
                                                                               
When the meeting resumed, the committee heard presentations                    
on the DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME capital project requests.                   
KEVIN BROOKS, Director of the Division of Support Services                     
testified.                                                                     
                                                                               
The first request was $400,000 for STATEWIDE FACILITIES                        
REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, AND REPLACEMENT.  A written statement                     
on the project stated:                                                         
                                                                               
"The Department of Fish and Game has employees in over 40                      
locations around the state and own facilities in many of                       
these locations.  These facilities include offices,                            
bunkhouses, warehouses, workshops, cabins, laboratories,                       
airplane hangers, and other structures that are vital to the                   
mission of the department.  Most routine, ongoing                              
maintenance is funded through annual operating                                 
appropriations.  Larger repair, renovation and replacement                     
projects have been requested in the capital budget, but have                   
been funded at only a fraction of the identified amount in                     
recent years.  Deferred maintenance on facilities is a                         
critical issue for the department with many of the requested                   
projects involving life, health and safety issues."                            
                                                                               
"In identifying and prioritizing projects, the department                      
first considers life, health and safety implications.  It is                   
critical that we provide a safe and efficient environment to                   
our employees and the public as we carry out our statutory                     
responsibilities of managing the state's fish and wildlife                     
resources.  Projects are also developed so that facilities                     
will comply with the American's With Disabilities Act (ADA);                   
meet building, mechanical, electrical, and life safety                         
codes; and comply with Department of Labor standards for                       
employee housing.  Finally, the department actively pursues                    
projects that will reduce operating costs through energy                       
efficiency measures, and insuring the structural integrity                     
of a facility will remain sound for a minimum of 20-30                         
years."                                                                        
                                                                               
"...These projects are representative of the types of                          
projects needed and reflect current facility needs.                            
Projects may be added or deleted to meet changing priorities                   
and conditions.  With a FY99 request of $400.0, the                            
department will address only the most critical projects in                     
the upcoming construction season.  Additional project detail                   
is available upon request."                                                    
                                                                               
Also included in written testimony was a list of projects                      
and costs associated with completion of each, totaling $2.9                    
million.                                                                       
                                                                               
The next item ADF&G requested to be funded was VESSEL                          
MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.  This would "...maintain large                         
research vessels.  These vessels support fishery monitoring                    
and stock assessment programs" according to written                            
testimony.  The amount desired was $250,000 in general                         
funds.  Mr. Brooks reminded the committee this request had                     
been before the Legislature in the past and had not been                       
funded.  Co-Chair Sharp asked if the vessels were used                         
primarily for the commercial fishing division activities.                      
Mr. Brooks affirmed.                                                           
                                                                               
SOUTHEAST REGION VESSEL FACILITY was the third ADF&G budget                    
request and asked for $1,170,000 general funds and $130,000,                   
or ten-percent, fish and game funds.  Mr. Brooks explained                     
this was for the vessel facility in Juneau.  Again the                         
request was made last year and was not funded.  Mr. Brooks                     
stressed the urgency saying that the department needed to                      
vacate the facility this year, as the building was located                     
on Mental Health Trust Authority land.  This request would                     
allow the construction of a building just east of the                          
present location on NOAA owned land, he explained.  A land                     
lease exchange was agreed upon where ADF&G could erect a                       
building and have access to their dock.  The cost of                           
constructing a new dock would cost over $1 million he                          
shared.                                                                        
                                                                               
The department included ten-percent funding from the                           
Fish/Game fund because both fish and wildlife divisions                        
would use the facility.  Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know if                      
the department currently used Fish/Game in the present                         
facility, or if this would be the first time the funds would                   
be used on the vessel facility and storage operations.  Mr.                    
Brooks responded that the state did not pay for the use of                     
the subport building.  However, after July 1, the building                     
would revert to MHTA ownership.  He said that the commercial                   
fisheries division operated a tag laboratory in the subport,                   
which they already relocated.  In addition, the entire                         
department, along with others, used the building for storage                   
and the Department of Administration was using a separate                      
request to accommodate the storage operations.                                 
                                                                               
The next item was HARDROCK MINING FISHERIES RESEARCH.  Mr.                     
Brooks explained the $225,000 AIDEA receipts request.  He                      
referred to earlier testimony from Janet Kowalski, Director                    
of the Habitat Division, about the tremendous growth in the                    
mining industry in Northwest and Interior Alaska.  It was                      
estimated that over 1 billion private sector dollars were                      
being expended for exploration, construction and production                    
this year alone.  Therefore, the department was requesting                     
funding to help collect baseline biological data to assess                     
the impact on fish resources and to work with industry to                      
developing those projects.                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted this was a two-year project using AIDEA                   
funds the first year and general funds the second.  Mr.                        
Brooks though there was potential for using AIDEA funds the                    
second year, but wouldn't be determined until the next                         
year's budget process.                                                         
                                                                               
The committee moved on to the next ADF&G budget request of                     
$200,000 for REGIONAL WILD FOOD HARVEST SURVEY.  Mr. Brooks                    
said the funds would go to the Subsistence Division to                         
gather data for management purposes as well as information                     
for the Boards of Fisheries and Game.  A lot of the data                       
that department had was very outdated, some of it over ten                     
years old. What the division hoped to do was bring the                         
harvest surveys up to date and get on a three to five year                     
cycle for the state, Mr. Brooks stated.                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if this would be in addition to harvest                   
tag and fish ticket information.  Mr. Brooks explained that                    
the surveys would entail staff going out into rural                            
community households.                                                          
                                                                               
Mr. Brooks told the committee those were all the ADF&G                         
project requests that would use general funds.                                 
                                                                               
The next request was for $300,000 AIDEA funds to be used on                    
DEVELOPING FISHERIES projects.  Mr. Brooks referred to                         
discussions over the past couple of years about developing                     
projects.  The department had been in a quandary because                       
they knew of population stocks that they were unable to tap                    
because of fears of exploitation.  He used as examples of                      
sea urchins, herring, crab and shellfish.  The department                      
hoped to devise a mechanism for developing fisheries and has                   
worked with industry to use their money for some of the                        
work.                                                                          
                                                                               
This project would serve two purposes, according to Mr.                        
Brooks.  One would be to do stock assessments.  The other                      
would work through a public process to establish a funding                     
mechanism for these types of projects that would allow                         
development, be good for the fishermen and generate revenue                    
for the general fund as well.  He stated that the department                   
believed this would be a very good project to pursue.                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked that in light of the difficulty of the                    
last year, if the department would provide a breakdown of                      
what developing fisheries they intended to use the funding                     
for.  Mr. Brooks agreed to provide the information.                            
                                                                               
MOOSE RESEARCH CENTER REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE was the next                      
ADF&G project in the FY99 budget request.  Mr. Brooks told                     
the committee the center was built during the middle 1960's                    
and that part of the $100,000 Fish/Game funds would be used                    
for access road improvements because sections of the road                      
were impassible during a couple months of the year.  Other                     
work needing to be done included roof repair and other                         
building deferred maintenance on the animal handling                           
facility.                                                                      
                                                                               
Mr. Brooks then moved on to the HATCHERY RENOVATION, REPAIR                    
AND MAINTENANCE request for $112,500 federal receipts and                      
$37,500 Fish/Game funds.  He spoke of the Anchorage facility                   
located near Fort Richardson operated by the Sport Fish                        
Division that was in need of upgrades and repairs.                             
                                                                               
He then testified to the SPORT FISHING AND RECREATIONAL                        
BOATING PUBLIC ACCESS AND FACILITY DEVELOPMENT project.                        
This request was for a total of $5.6 million, $4,200,000 in                    
federal receipts and $1,400,000 Fish/Game funds.  This was                     
another project that was 75 percent federally funded,                          
according to Mr. Brooks.  This on-going project was                            
required, as 12.5 percent of available federal funds must be                   
set aside for access-type projects.  He explained how the                      
department worked with communities across the state in                         
developing these projects.                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp encouraged committee members to look at the                     
detail sheet attached to the written statement that showed                     
where the funding would be spent.  His only concern was that                   
the amount of money had rapidly escalated in the last couple                   
years on expenditures out of the federal fish and game funds                   
and the rolling balance of federal fish and game funds were                    
going down.  He realized there was an infusion of new money                    
into the state fish and game fund, but the balance was being                   
spent faster than it was coming in.  He was concerned that                     
they were spending down to where they couldn't react.                          
                                                                               
Mr. Brooks replied that the department shared the concern                      
and watched the situation very closely.  He pointed out that                   
in the Division of Wildlife Protection the federal balance                     
was dropping, but for the Sport Fishing Division there was                     
actually an increase.  He referred to the passage of the                       
federal Brady Bill and said there was a spike in the federal                   
funds because of the excise taxes on ammunition.  He assured                   
the committee that the department watched the fish and                         
wildlife sides separately to ensure the sustainability of                      
the funds.                                                                     
                                                                               
The committee moved along to address the AREA OFFICE                           
EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT budget request.  Mr. Brooks explained                    
that this was a project proposed by the Division of Wildlife                   
Conservation to use $100,000 Fish/Game funds.  They did an                     
assessment of their area offices and this would provide                        
upgrades.  He spoke of a vehicle that needed replacing.                        
Typically the department obtained vehicles from surplus and                    
used them well beyond their life expectancy.  He also told                     
of ATV's and snowmachines that needed replacement.                             
                                                                               
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The last ADF&G request was for JUNEAU INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE                    
AND HUNTER EDUCATION FACILITY CONSTRUCTION.  The project                       
requested $1,000,000 Fish/Game funds and $500,000 federal                      
receipts for the construction of a two-room hunter education                   
facility and indoor shooting range.  Mr. Brooks told the                       
committee there was an outdoor shooting range in Juneau and                    
that an indoor range was located in the basement of a                          
school, but the arrangement was no longer available.  He                       
stressed that the department was watching the federal funds,                   
making sure enough surplus built up before they planned to                     
begin this project.  The federal fund allocation was                           
designated for hunter education projects.                                      
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked his staff member, TOM WILLIAMS about                      
the federal match.  He wanted to know if it was the same                       
ratio, noting that funding for the Fairbanks shooting range                    
had to be switched in the supplemental budget because of                       
overspending.  Mr. Williams said the funding had been fifty-                   
fifty, but was now 25-75 federal to state funds.  Mr. Brooks                   
pointed out that in the operating budget there was a fairly                    
specific three to one match with the federal being the                         
larger share.  For the shooting range, there was not the                       
specific requirement, he said.  There was further discussion                   
and Co-Chair Sharp assured that the committee and the                          
department would work further on the matter.                                   
                                                                               
This concluded the ADF&G capital project requests.                             
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp called upon the OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR to                       
speak to its one request.  JOAN BROWN, Budget Analyst for                      
the Office of Management and Budget presented the item.                        
This was a $500,000 general fund request to continue work on                   
compliance with the AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.  She                      
explained that the funds would be used to remove the                           
physical barriers within state-owned facilities in order to                    
comply with the federal law.                                                   
                                                                               
Senator Parnell wanted to know why this request was done                       
through the Office of the Governor rather than the                             
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities.  Ms.                       
Brown replied that some of the funds were RSA'd to DOT&PF or                   
to the University, depending on the specific project.                          
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked if DOT&PF had any ADA requests                           
included in their capital budget.  Ms. Brown did not know                      
specifically.  She said some projects had ADA compliance                       
requirements included in them, but if there was no other                       
work planned other than ADA compliance, the funding was                        
funneled through the Governor's Office.  She said that                         
DOT&PF did an inventory in 1994 and identified about $55                       
million dollars worth of compliance projects needed.  Those                    
projects had been funded through the Governor's Office since                   
1994.                                                                          
                                                                               
Ms. Brown pointed out that $1 million was also included in                     
the supplemental budget request for ADA items.                                 
                                                                               
The committee then heard presentations on the DEPARTMENT OF                    
HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES capital projects.                                   
                                                                               
JANET CLARKE represented the department and said she would                     
cover both the capital budget and mental health budget                         
funded items.                                                                  
                                                                               
She first addressed the DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, RENEWAL,                         
REPLACEMENT AND EQUIPMENT request.  This was for $192,300                      
federal receipts and $750,000 general funds, for the                           
department's 38 state-owned facilities, including youth                        
correctional facilities and public health centers.  Ms.                        
Clarke testified that many of the facilities were run 24                       
hours a day and got extreme use.  Like other state agencies,                   
DH&SS had many deferred maintenance issues, she said.                          
                                                                               
A list of some of the projects was included in the budget                      
packet, to which Ms. Clarke referred.                                          
                                                                               
Ms. Clarke then spoke of the next project that was amended                     
by the Governor and included a request for $550,000 bond                       
revenue and $275,000 in general funds for project related                      
expenses for the PUBLIC HEALTH LABORATORY NON-BONDABLE COSTS                   
project that was authorized by the Legislature last session.                   
She told the committee that the certificates of                                
participation had been sold.  What the department needed                       
from the Legislature was authorization to receive and expend                   
statutory designated receipts that were allowable to be                        
charged to the certificates of participation for                               
construction management work.  She said there were some                        
costs that could not be charged to the certificates based on                   
their tax-exempt status.  She explained those expenses were                    
the reason for the general fund request.                                       
                                                                               
She spoke further of the stipulations of the bond receipt                      
expenditures.  Some of the exclusions were internal audits                     
and right-of-way activities.                                                   
                                                                               
She told the committee that when the bond certificates were                    
sold, they received the lowest rate, which was much lower                      
than discussed with the Legislature last year.                                 
                                                                               
Ms. Clarke moved on to the next item for WELFARE REFORM                        
INFORMATION SYSTEM AND OFFICE AUTOMATION.  This was the                        
third of a four-year project to upgrade the eligibility                        
information system to comply with the changes made to                          
welfare reform.  She explained the past mainframe system                       
with dummy terminals and the new, front-end Windows based PC                   
link into the mainframe.  The mainframe would still be used                    
as a data repository.  The upgrade would provide a more                        
flexible way for workers to perform their jobs.                                
                                                                               
She said most of the equipment and hardware was already                        
purchased.  The Anchorage office was the only one left and                     
consisted of this request.  She spoke of federal                               
requirements that the state comply with a "maintenance of                      
effort" stipulation.                                                           
                                                                               
VITAL STATISTICS ARCHIVE IMAGING AND SYSTEM REPLACEMENT was                    
the next item in the DH&SS capital budget request.  Ms.                        
Clarke told the committee the two-year project would                           
implement optical imaging to preserve some of their vital                      
statistics records.  This included birth and death records                     
along with marriage and other records and would allow on-                      
line access to the information.  She said that many of the                     
records were currently stored in a vault, but were old and                     
there were problems with deterioration of some of the                          
papers.                                                                        
                                                                               
The next request was for $341,600 general funds for                            
EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT.  Ms.                      
Brooks reminded the committee that last year the Legislature                   
had funded some of the Interior's highest priority needs to                    
replace communication equipment in some of the "dead spots."                   
A lot of that money was used along the main highways.  She                     
referred to a study funded by the Highway Safety Planning                      
Agency that pointed out some additional major communication                    
problems for emergency medical services.  She told the                         
committee there was still a lot of work to be done in this                     
area and these funds would be used to continue the efforts.                    
She detailed some of the specific projects.                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp said it was his understanding that these                        
funds would be used primarily for equipment and would not                      
include training.  Ms. Clarke affirmed.                                        
                                                                               
The committee then heard presentations on DH&SS projects                       
that would be funded through the Mental Health Trust                           
Authority bill.  Ms. Clarke informed the members that all                      
four of the proposed projects had been approved by the MHTA                    
in their recommendations to the Legislature and the                            
Governor.                                                                      
                                                                               
The first item was $225,000 for STOP-GAP REPAIRS AT ALASKA                     
PSYCHIATRIC INSTITUTE.  Co-Chair Sharp noted that RANDALL                      
BURNS, Director of API, was on-line to answer any questions                    
if necessary.  Ms. Clarke told how API was a 35-year old                       
facility and there had been some well-publicized articles on                   
the state of API.  She stated that the relatively small                        
amount of this request would help the department deal with                     
the most critical life/health/safety code compliance issues.                   
She advised that the cost to completely repair the facility                    
would be millions of dollars.  However, sine the department                    
was working to find a replacement for the facility, they                       
elected to perform only the most needed repairs.                               
                                                                               
Mr. Burns was invited to comment via teleconference from                       
Anchorage.  He offered to go through a list of their                           
concerns.  It was decided that the written statement                           
provided in the budget packet would suffice.                                   
                                                                               
Ms. Clarke continued with the next request, which was                          
$400,000 for DEFERRED MAINTENANCE - COMPETITIVE GRANTS FOR                     
TRUST BENEFICIARY PROGRAM FACILITIES.  She told the                            
committee that this project would not fund any state                           
facilities but would go out for competitive grant for all                      
four beneficiary groups who would apply for the most                           
critical life/health/safety issues within their facilities.                    
She added that this request did not apply to ADA compliant                     
projects.  The funds would be used for items such as                           
sprinkler systems.                                                             
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked if this money was in addition to                         
payments made through the operating budget and Medicaid                        
program for contractual services.  He felt that the private                    
sector businesses should budget their income to accommodate                    
these needs.  In fact, he heard arguments from the providers                   
explaining why they held money from year to year so they                       
could save up to purchase things like upgraded computer                        
systems.  Therefore, he suggested that since these were                        
private facilities provided services to the state in return                    
for payment, they should cover these expenses themselves.                      
He thought it odd that the state was providing grants to the                   
businesses so they could upgrade their capital.                                
                                                                               
Ms. Clarke explained that this was an on-going practice and                    
there was a wide range of circumstances with each grantee.                     
Some may have been able to hold onto funding to provide the                    
upgrades.  However, some of the smaller providers might not                    
be in the same situation but still had the same                                
life/health/safety needs.                                                      
                                                                               
The next DH&SS item was BENEFICIARY AND SPECIAL NEEDS                          
HOUSING PROGRAM.  Ms. Clarke explained that the department                     
had implemented this program for the last four years and did                   
it in conjunction with the Mental Health Trust Authority and                   
the Alaska Housing Finance Corporations.  They had been                        
successful in using these funds in the past as Harborview                      
was closed and they funded home improvement and development                    
for patients coming out of Harborview, according to Ms.                        
Clarke.  She spoke of the downsizing at API and said the                       
funds would continue to be used for community-based                            
services.  Independent housing was shown to be a primary                       
requirement for self-sufficiency, she stressed.                                
                                                                               
She reminded the committee how in the past, the department                     
had provided them with a complete summary of the projects                      
and offered to do so again.                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if this was the funding source for                        
facilities like the new Douglas Terrace facility.  Ms.                         
Clarke didn't think this program funded that project, but                      
that it was similar to the types of projects that were                         
funded in the program.  She gave a facility in Kenai as an                     
example of one that was funded under this program.                             
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp returned to the Douglas facility and wondered                   
where the funding for it came from.  Ms. Clarke said she                       
would check.  She said projects in their program went                          
through a competitive grant process and that it was possible                   
that the Douglas facility participated in some way.                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp requested the detailed breakdown of which                       
programs received the funding and the number of units built.                   
                                                                               
Senator Parnell referred to the written statement provided                     
in the budget packet.  He noted one of the special needs                       
housing listed was for transitional housing with support                       
services for newly recovering alcoholics and addicts.                          
Similar language was also used in the General Relief                           
Assistance Program, and he wanted to know if the funding was                   
used for capital construction projects or for rent payments                    
for program participants.                                                      
                                                                               
Ms. Clarke replied that the intent of this program was for                     
capital home modifications or other investments, not for                       
rent payments.                                                                 
                                                                               
The last request for DH&SS used all mental health trust                        
receipts and was for COMPLETE CAPITAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT OF                      
ALL BENEFICIARY PROGRAMS.  Ms. Clarke spoke to the $200,000                    
request.                                                                       
                                                                               
THE DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS was the next                   
agency to present its capital budget requests.  NICO BUS,                      
Administrative Services Manager for DMVA and the Department                    
of Natural Resources, spoke to items for both departments.                     
                                                                               
The first DMVA request was for the JUNEAU ARMORY DESIGN AND                    
CONSTRUCTION.  Mr. Bus reminded the committee that the                         
Legislature funded the first phase of the project last year                    
and this year's request would primarily cover construction                     
costs and get the project to the point of qualification for                    
federal funding.  He said the City and Borough of Juneau and                   
the MHTA came to an agreement over the issue of land and the                   
department had the needed land permitted.  They also had a                     
contract secured with DOT&PF to conduct environmental                          
studies and design work.                                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp saw that the general fund portion was a two-                    
year project and asked what was the minimum amount required                    
in order to qualify for federal matching funds.  Mr. Bus                       
replied that it depended whether the facility was a state or                   
federal armory.  State armories, such as the Juneau                            
facility, required a 25 percent state-funding match.  In                       
addition, environmental work and site preparation must be                      
paid with state funds.                                                         
                                                                               
NEW PHONE SWITCH - INTEGRATED SWITCH DIGITAL BETWORK                           
COMPLIANCE was the next DMVA item.  This would allow the                       
department to upgrade the switches to make them more                           
adaptable to emergency support response, according to Mr.                      
Bus.  This second of a three-year project requested $96,000                    
general funds.                                                                 
                                                                               
The next request was $148,000 federal receipts and $102,900                    
general funds for NATIONAL WARNING SYSTEM UPGRADE PHASE II.                    
Last year, the Legislature funded the first increment of                       
this phased project, said Mr. Bus.  He explained how this                      
project would take advantage of prevailing technology and                      
converge voice-grade warning systems to digital interface                      
networks.  The department planned to hook up 27 communities                    
and with the funding last year was able to do nine                             
communities, purchase network servers and other equipment.                     
Under this phase of the project, they would hook up three or                   
more communities, depending on equipment costs, and continue                   
over the next several years until all 27 were connected.  He                   
noted that equipment costs were lowering and the department                    
was hopeful they could do more communities with the                            
appropriated funds.                                                            
                                                                               
Mr. Bus moved on to the next item, EMERGENCY WIRELESS PHASE                    
II.  He explained that the funds form that request would                       
purchase four repeater wide spectrum wireless communication                    
systems in Southcentral Alaska and allow the department to                     
improve communications during disasters.  He spoke of the                      
Miller's Reach fires where repeater stations' circuits were                    
either preempted or destroyed.  This would make the                            
department more independent of the repeater stations and                       
improve the ability to respond to emergency situations.                        
                                                                               
The next capital budget request was for $84,000 federal                        
receipts and $150,000 general funds for ARMY GUARD DEFERRED                    
MAINTENANCE, RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT.  Mr. Bus spoke of a                      
significant backlog in deferred maintenance needs.  The                        
funds would be used for essential facility repairs such as                     
failed furnaces, roof repairs, structural components,                          
electrical systems, etc., according to Mr. Bus.  He said                       
those were prioritized within the department.                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp requested a detailed list of the facilities                     
and planned repairs.                                                           
                                                                               
VHF RADIO REPLACEMENT - DIVISION OF EMERGENCY SERVICES was                     
the next DMVA item.  Mr. Bus said that to be compatible with                   
the new federal standards, the department received an                          
appropriation last year to replace all their radio                             
equipment.  This year they requested $146,400 for the second                   
to the last phase of the purchasing project.                                   
                                                                               
JIM HARPING of the Division of Emergency Services was linked                   
to the meeting from Kenai via teleconference.  He added that                   
this project was part of a migration with each state,                          
community and the federal government trying to do this in                      
unison.  He urged that the equipment must be replaced                          
because of FCC mandate.  According to Mr. Harping, a task                      
force comprised of federal and state representatives                           
approached their vendors who responded favorably to requests                   
for assistance in the project.  He estimated they would                        
complete the changeover within the next two to five years.                     
                                                                               
Mr. Bus moved along to EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION RESPONSE TEAM                   
- EQUIPMENT.  He explained that there were five response                       
teams available for emergency response deployment.  Those                      
were the people who would get to the site first and often                      
times there was no form of communication or other equipment                    
available.  Therefore, the teams needed to be completely                       
self-sufficient within the first 72 hours.  This request                       
would equip one of the teams with the full set of necessary                    
equipment, according to Mr. Bus.                                               
                                                                               
Mr. Harping described some of the emergency situations where                   
these teams were deployed.  He spoke of the communication                      
services they provided.  In his opinion, this had been a                       
very successful operation.  Previously, funding for this                       
program came exclusively from the operating budget.                            
However, the equipment was worn and needed replacing to keep                   
the teams effective.                                                           
                                                                               
The next item was for the NOME ARMORY DESIGN AND                               
CONSTRUCTION.  The total cost of the facility would be $7                      
million and this portion of the request was for $5,712,500                     
federal receipts and $662,000 general funds, explained Mr.                     
Bus.                                                                           
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted that the larger general fund allocation                   
would be required next year.  As a point of interest, he                       
asked why the state match was higher than that for the                         
Juneau Armory.  Mr. Bus replied that a donation made by the                    
City and Borough of Juneau counted towards the state match                     
requirement.                                                                   
                                                                               
The final DMVA request was $2 million federal receipts for                     
ARMY GUARD STATEWIDE PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTION.  Mr. Bus                       
told the committee this project was for contingency planning                   
and construction.  He said that sometimes because of                           
congressional add-ons or other reasons, the department was                     
appropriated extra money but it needed a designated project                    
in order to expend those funds.  This project would allow                      
the department to do that, he explained.  At this time there                   
were no specific plans because funding was contingent on                       
federal appropriations.                                                        
                                                                               
Mr. Bus began presentations on THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL                       
RESOURCES capital budget projects.                                             
                                                                               
The first was for COMPLETION OF LAND STATUS GIS SYSTEM.                        
This project had been funded by the Legislature for the last                   
six years and was on target and almost complete, according                     
to Mr. Bus.  The project converted manual status plats to                      
digital so people could call the information up on computer.                   
This would eliminate the need for manual maintenance, speed                    
up the decision making process for the resource managers and                   
allow public access through the Internet.  The request for                     
this year was $250,000 AIDEA receipts.                                         
                                                                               
The next DNR request was RURAL COALBED METHANE $200,000                        
general funds.  Mr. Bus explained this project as an                           
alternative to energy for rural communities.  The                              
Legislature had been funding this for the last several years                   
and was getting the project ready to enter the drilling                        
phase.  He told the committee the department identified                        
three areas where they could perform drilling operations.                      
He offered MILT WILTSE, Director of the Division of                            
Geological and Geophysical Surveys, who was on-line from                       
Fairbanks and could speak further to the project.                              
                                                                               
Mr. Wiltse further explained the project as originally                         
requested by the Governor several years ago.  Coalbed                          
methane was a new technology in the country and DGGS brought                   
in experts from Texas to educate them.  They were working to                   
locate target sites to drill and test the feasibility of                       
producing coalbed methane.  The actual drilling phase of the                   
project would be very expensive, he warned.  The department                    
was working to get a body of knowledge before beginning to                     
drill so there would be the best chance of success.                            
                                                                               
Also, Mr. Wiltse said, the department was trying to obtain                     
federal matching funds for the project.  Some of the capital                   
funds already appropriated and requested here would be used                    
to encourage the federal DOE or the US Geological Survey                       
funds to match the state dollars to share the burden of some                   
of the late phases of the project.  The $200,000 requested                     
this year would be used in conjunction with funds from                         
previous appropriations to do more detailed on-site                            
investigations, such as seismic testing to understand the                      
local geological structural situation at the target sites,                     
according to Mr. Wiltse.  They hoped to avoid drilling in                      
wrong areas.                                                                   
                                                                               
Mr. Bus continued to the next project, STATE PARKS EMERGENCY                   
REPAIRS.  Basically the park units had several areas where                     
there was a deterioration of facilities and in order to                        
protect them, the department identified about $400,000 worth                   
of work to be done, he explained.  The repairs would include                   
water systems, roads, repairing cabins, improving workshops                    
and in the Big Delta State Historic Park, do riverbank                         
erosion protection.                                                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if any of these projects were included                    
in the deferred maintenance list.  Mr. Bus replied that the                    
Division of Parks had identified $35 million of deferred                       
maintenance.  Co-Chair Sharp assumed there would be some                       
overlap.                                                                       
                                                                               
AIRBORNE GEOPHYSICAL AND GEOLOGICAL MINERAL INVENTORY was                      
the next item.  Mr. Bus spoke to the $500,000 AIDEA receipt                    
request and again offered Mr. Wiltse as the project manager                    
who could highlight the project.                                               
                                                                               
Mr. Wiltse said the private industry investment in the                         
growing industry was encouraging. This year DNR had                            
identified four areas that would be the maximum number of                      
mining districts where they would conduct the airborne                         
surveys was contingent upon the level of funding from the                      
CIP request, he explained.  Those areas were the Fortymile                     
district, Livengood district, Iditerod Mining district in                      
southwestern Alaska and the eastern Nome district in western                   
Alaska.  A final decision would be made on which of the                        
areas are flown when they knew the outcome of the CIP                          
request.  He said they tried to match the funding level with                   
the area that needed to be flown in order to do a credible                     
job, according to Mr. Wiltse.  He stated that all the                          
identified tracts had exceptionally good mineral potential,                    
varying degrees of accessibility and had residents desiring                    
mineral development.  Each of the areas had ground staking                     
done in anticipation that the surveys would be flown.                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know if any of the prospective                        
areas had other landowners or federal agencies that might                      
participate similar to what was done in the Nome area.  Mr.                    
Wiltse was not aware of any, but noted that the projects                       
were not to the appropriate stages.  However, he felt there                    
would be participation from the Native Corporations in the                     
Nome area were the projects to go forward in western Alaska.                   
He spoke of federal interest in activities in the Fortymile                    
area as well as Canadian interest in the mineral holdings                      
across the border.  Therefore he speculated there would be                     
future cooperative work with the US Geological Survey, the                     
Canadian Providential Survey and the Canadian National                         
Survey.  Co-Chair Sharp remembered Doyan Corporation used to                   
have land ownership in the area, but wasn't sure if they                       
still did.                                                                     
                                                                               
Mr. Bus moved on to the $200,000 AIDEA receipts request for                    
the RECORDER'S OFFICE EQUIPMENT UPGRADE.  He told the                          
committee that the recorder's office operated in 14                            
different locations and were a high production organization.                   
They produced images of real estate transactions and                           
performed other tasks.  This request would fund equipment                      
replacement as the current equipment was failing.  Mr. Bus                     
reminded the members that the department approached them                       
last budget year requesting new technology.  When that was                     
not funded, they held stakeholders meetings and received                       
feedback from their customers saying that at the very least,                   
the office needed good equipment; copiers, time stamps,                        
reader printers and other necessary items.  He offered the                     
written statement in the budget packet detailed the specific                   
items.  As a footnote, he added that because of the Airborne                   
Geophysical and Geological Mineral Inventory project and the                   
increased business it brought the recorders office, they                       
collected $340,000 in revenue than budgeted.  Some of the                      
customers expected that some of the income be reinvested in                    
equipment replacement, he stated.                                              
                                                                               
The next item was also a Recorder's Office request, $165,000                   
for RECORDER'S OFFICE APERTURE CARD FILMING AND DIGITIZING.                    
Mr. Bus explained there was a deterioration of records and                     
specifically between 1970 to 1977 during the pipeline era                      
the records produced were of a very poor quality.  Many of                     
those were unreadable.  Using new technology, those                            
microfilm records could be re-filmed to obtain much better                     
data.  This project envisioned filming and enhancing the                       
records from the seven-year period. It would then also be                      
possible to digitize them and make available in that format.                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if this required distinct equipment,                      
which Mr. Bus affirmed.  Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know of                      
the two procedures, re-microfilming and digitizing, which                      
was the most critical.  Mr. Bus replied that the                               
microfilming equipment was the most needed.                                    
                                                                               
STATE LAND DISPOSALS AND LEGAL DEFENSE SURVEYS was the next                    
request and asked for $300,000 general fund.  Mr. Bus spoke                    
to this explaining that the project was an opportunity for                     
the state to dispose of some of its lands.  This project                       
envisioned offered 200 previously offered lots and 100                         
remote recreational lots for sale to citizens. The funding                     
would allow the department to do surveys and appraisals and                    
enable for sealed bid actions.  He stressed that the revenue                   
generated would far exceed the costs and offered an                            
opportunity for the general public to get more state land.                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know what was the tie-in with the                     
legal defense surveys and if the parcels would be specific                     
areas or tied in with land disposals.  Mr. Bus responded                       
that it would be in support of the legal activities and he                     
assumed that the Department of Law and the DNR would work                      
together on identifying those and doing right-of-way                           
determinations.  Of the total request, $50,000 would be used                   
for the legal defense portion of the project.  Co-Chair                        
Sharp wanted assurance that under this project, a fee simple                   
wouldn't be written to an existing right-of-way.                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams requested a list of the land disposal areas                      
for the committee.  Mr. Bus said one would be made                             
available.                                                                     
                                                                               
The committee then heard the next request for $150,000 for                     
STATE OIL AND GAS ELECTRONIC INTERFACE WITH INDUSTRY.  Mr.                     
Bus stated that this was an automation effort to work with                     
the industry.  Nationwide, there was an attempt to get data                    
to entities, such as the Division of Oil and Gas.  He added                    
that the State was working through the Information                             
Technology Group to get all royalty production reports                         
electronically.  Currently, the division received all its                      
reports manually and had to renter the information, which                      
was very labor intensive and pushed the process about 30                       
days behind.  Under this project, the information would be                     
transferred electronically by the oil companies as soon as                     
they had it, and the division could immediately update its                     
royalty information and records.  The funds would be used to                   
buy the hardware and software that would enable that, Mr.                      
Bus told the members.                                                          
                                                                               
Mr. Bus next addressed WILDLAND AND URBAN INTERFACE FIRE                       
TRAINING AND CERTIFICATIONS.  The $120,000 requested would                     
be used towards a national project to improve the ability to                   
track fire qualifications of state and Structure Fire                          
Department firefighters, according to Mr. Bus.  It would                       
require a PC based National Wildland Fire Qualification                        
tracking system and refurbishing of some excess equipment                      
for training purposes, he continued.  He offered JEFF JAHNKE                   
Division of Forestry Director and DEAN BROWN, Deputy                           
Director, was available if the committee had questions.  Co-                   
Chair Sharp noted that some of the members had already been                    
lobbied on this request.                                                       
                                                                               
REFORESTATION AND MONITORING was the request heard next.                       
Mr. Bus said this project envisioned doing two reforestation                   
projects, $100,000 for reforestation in the Tanana Valley,                     
$100,000 for reforestation in the Kenai area and $50,000 to                    
monitor both areas.  The goal was to stimulate forest                          
management and timely reforestation as required under the                      
Forest Practices Act and promote the enhancement of                            
production of the renewable resources.                                         
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked about the Miller's Reach fire damage and                   
if the division had plans to reforest that area.  Mr. Jahnke                   
said the Kenai reforestation portion included plans to                         
reforest areas that suffered fire damage.  There were no                       
plans for reforestation in the Mat-Su area, he stated.  Most                   
of that area was "urban interface" or privately owned, he                      
added.                                                                         
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp then asked if the planned reforestation would                   
be done in harvested areas.  Mr. Jahnke said that was                          
correct with the exception of the fire-damaged area in                         
Kenai.                                                                         
                                                                               
Mr. Bus moved on to the FEDERAL EXCESS PROPERTY - VEHICLES                     
request for $150,000, which would fund the maintenance of                      
federal access property.  He told the committee the                            
department had equipment available from the federal                            
government at no charge.  However, there sometimes were                        
repair costs.  The department then loaned the equipment to                     
local and private fire departments.  This request would                        
enable DNR to obtain equipment for use by the structured                       
fire departments, which were first to respond to fires.  In                    
his opinion, it was important to outfit these fire                             
departments with current and up to date equipment.                             
                                                                               
The next item in the DNR capital budget packet was SOUTHEAST                   
VALUE ADDED TIMER SALES.  Mr. Bus explained that this                          
project envisioned two timber sales based on the value-added                   
legislation passed in 1996.  One would be a timer sale in                      
Wrangell and the other would be in Ketchikan.  The $108,000                    
funds would be used for the layout and travel to those                         
sites.  Co-Chair Sharp expressed surprise that there was                       
state-owned timberland in Southeast.                                           
                                                                               
A presentation for the FAIRBANKS FACILITY MAINTENANCE,                         
REPAIR AND CONSTRUCTION was then heard.  DNR had a nice                        
facility on one side of the road, but the other side of the                    
road held surplus equipment from the federal government                        
accumulated over several years, according to Mr. Bus.  Last                    
year, the Legislature appropriated funds to replace a                          
furnace.  This year the department was requesting money to                     
upgrade the power supply to meet safety codes, do                              
renovations to make the building ADA accessible and                            
construct restrooms so there would be separate men's and                       
women's facilities.  Mr. Bus stated that written material                      
included in the budget packet detailed the requests.                           
                                                                               
Mr. Bus next spoke to the OIL AND GAS ROYALTY ACCOUNTING                       
SYSTEM PHASE II.  He noted that the Legislature previously                     
funded phase I of the project.  He said a lot of progress                      
had been made on the royalty accounting and this portion of                    
the project would purchase software upgrades to make all the                   
reporting standard and improve the manual processes.  This                     
would speed up the amount of royalties billed to the oil                       
companies.                                                                     
                                                                               
The next request was for $60,000 for FIRE MANAGEMENT PLAN                      
MAP ATLAS UPGRADING.  Mr. Bus explained that in                                
firefighting, the mass of land ownership determined who paid                   
for the firefighting efforts.  The map had been updated over                   
the last several years and contained errors and                                
inaccuracies, according to Mr. Bus.  This funding would be                     
used to update the map and make it digitized for wider                         
access.                                                                        
                                                                               
Mr. Bus then presented KENAI RIVER AREA PLAN STUDIES                           
IMPLEMENTATION.  This included two projected recommended by                    
the Kenai Area Special Management Group, comprised of DNR,                     
Department of Fish and Game, Department of Environmental                       
Conservation, the Kenai and Soldotna boroughs, the guides                      
association, sport fishermen, and Kenai River property                         
owners.  One part of the project would be a vessel                             
overcrowding study and would address the social aspect of                      
how many vessels could reasonably be on the river at any one                   
time.  The other part of the project would be a boat wake                      
erosion study and evaluate whether the boat wakes were                         
damaging the habitat.  This had matched funding with the US                    
Geological Survey who was doing a hydrology study, and had                     
already contributed $35,000 to this project.                                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair thought it might tie into the major boat launch                       
facilities included in the ADF&G capital project requests.                     
                                                                               
The next DNR item was AGRICULTURAL LAND DISPOSALS.  Mr. Bus                    
explained that, similar with the Division of Lands, the                        
Division of Agriculture over the last several years had                        
reposed several parcels they would like to sell again.                         
Also, with the mental health settlement, the division was                      
now in a position to offer those parcels that were in                          
dispute, he stated.  This project would offer parcels,                         
including 8,750 acres currently in state ownership, and put                    
the land back in private ownership.  The funding source for                    
this project would be Agricultural Loans and would generate                    
about $4-5 million for the loan fund, Mr. Bus anticipated.                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know if any revenues generated                        
would return to the Agirc Loan fund.  Mr. Bus affirmed,                        
saying that the revolving loan fund was the owners of the                      
property.  However, the portions of the sale that were part                    
of the Mental Health Claims settlement would go into the                       
general fund.                                                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if this was strictly Agriculture Rights                   
land.  The project proposed to do ALF properties and                           
Agricultural Rights properties, Mr. Bus answered.  He added                    
that the earlier lands disposal capital project was Title 38                   
lands under the direction of the Division of Lands.                            
                                                                               
Mr. Bus continued with the presentation, speaking to the                       
SYMMS TRAILS FEDERAL GRANTS.  He explained that this                           
federally funded project would allow the state to award                        
grants to different organizations for trail projects.  He                      
listed past awards granted to different organizations and                      
the number of applicants versus the number of awards.                          
                                                                               
The next request was $640,000 federal funds for NATIONAL                       
HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANTS.  These grants were awarded to                    
individuals for historic preservation activities and were                      
comprised of 60 percent federal and 40 percent state funds,                    
according to Mr. Bus.  This specific request was for capital                   
projects, which were all federally funded, he added.  He                       
spoke about the application and awards process of the                          
grants.                                                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted the large amount of money and looked in                   
the written statement for the areas anticipated for                            
projects.  He was unable to find that information and                          
requested the department provide it.  Mr. Bus replied that                     
he would and added that most of the funds were routed                          
through the Division of Parks, History and Archeology who                      
administered many of the projects.  Co-Chair Sharp's concern                   
was that he felt the funds should go to non-profit groups                      
rather than aid to the division.  Mr. Bus replied that a                       
large percentage went to the division to administer all the                    
different grants.  Then the funds went to local communities.                   
Co-Chair Sharp requested a list of the past year's                             
activities plus anticipated activities for this year.                          
                                                                               
The committee then heard the presentation for ABANDONED                        
MINES LANDS RECLAMATION.  Mr. Bus explained that over the                      
years, there had been many mines abandoned and there was a                     
federal program that tried to mitigate the hazards caused by                   
the abandoned mines.  The $1.5 million used to be accounted                    
in the operating budget, this year the department switched                     
the funds to the capital budget because all the money would                    
go to private contractors to fix the hazards, according to                     
Mr. Bus.  They were multi-year projects and the department                     
felt it was more appropriate to reflect them in the capital                    
project.  Co-Chair Sharp asked if the programs were                            
administered through the Division of Mines, which Mr. Bus                      
affirmed.                                                                      
                                                                               
TRACI CRAMER, member of the Exxon Valdez Trustee Council,                      
came to the table to speak to the next DNR capital budget                      
request, KENAI HABITAT RESTORATION AND RECREATION                              
ENHANCEMENTS.  She noted there were two other EVOSS projects                   
that were included in the Governor's budget amendment.  The                    
Kenai project would allow DNR to proactively manage                            
resources at the same time as accommodating the public, she                    
stated.  This project would include the construction of                        
boardwalks, grateways, signage, re-vegetation of the                           
riverbank and possible redirection of the public to keep                       
them away from the critical habitat areas.  The $462,300 was                   
entirely settlement funds, she pointed out.                                    
                                                                               
Ms. Cramer then spoke to the other two requests; the first                     
was SMALL PARCEL PURCHASES. This would allocate $820,000 for                   
the acquisition of three small parcels.  The price was based                   
on the appraised fair market value and included $500,000 for                   
the Baycrest parcel.  This was a 90-acre parcel located                        
north of Homer and fronted Katchemak Bay.  Also included was                   
$80,000 for a parcel on the Ayakulik River, $240,000 for a                     
parcel on the Karluk River Lagoon.  Co-Chair Sharp requested                   
detail on the items since they were not included in the                        
capital budget packet.                                                         
                                                                               
The third project Ms. Cramer addressed was $3 million for an                   
archeologically repository and local display facilities.                       
The Exxon Valdez oil spill affected the archeological                          
resources of the area, she stated.  The trust council                          
therefore approved this money to access the damage.                            
Included in the project was construction of an archeological                   
repository, a regional repository on the Price William                         
Sound, construction of mobile display facilities in the                        
communities themselves so the artifacts could be brought the                   
to communities, and also development of traveling exhibits.                    
According to Ms. Cramer, the exhibits would be developed in                    
the regional repository and then made available to the local                   
display facilities.                                                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if a repository site had been selected.                   
Ms. Cramer listed eight communities interested in housing                      
either the repository or the display facilities.  At that                      
time a Request for Proposals was being drafted for                             
distribution the next week.  The plan was to competitively                     
solicit for the different facilities.  Co-Chair Sharp wanted                   
to know if these would be housed in only one community.  Ms.                   
Cramer replied that the repository would be in one community                   
and the others would have either constructed or upgraded                       
local display facilities.  Co-Chair Sharp pointed out that                     
some of the communities seemed too remote to allow wide                        
viewing of the exhibits.                                                       
                                                                               
Mr. Bus continued with the two remaining Governor's capital                    
project amendments for DNR.  The first was for MT. MCKINLEY                    
MEAT AND SAUSAGE PLANT ROOF REPAIR, overseen by the Division                   
of Agriculture.  He told the committee that the plant burned                   
down and that most of the fire damage had been repaired.                       
However, the department division discovered during the                         
reparations that the roof was in worse shape than they                         
thought.  The insurance did not cover those repairs and the                    
$150,000 requested in the amendment would be needed.  He                       
described that phase one of the project would get the                          
facility to a stage where it could be opened for business,                     
and phase two would complete the project.  He stressed the                     
necessity for the roof repairs, saying if they were not done                   
the roof would leak and the plant would need to be closed                      
again.  The Department of Environmental Conservation                           
required the closure due to concerns of meat contamination.                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp commented that he had no idea of the ripple                     
affect of the plant closure until the fire forced the                          
earlier closure.                                                               
                                                                               
The next item was the ROYALTY OIL [PRICE REOPENERS -                           
undistinguishable] for $100,000.  Mr. Bus said this had been                   
funded in a prior capital project and was part of royalty                      
settlements with the oil companies.  The settlements                           
stipulated that the oil producers or the state could come                      
back and argue on the calculation of the royalty payments,                     
destination and other factors.  The department exhausted the                   
$100,000 and this request would replace those monies, he                       
said.  The funds were used to hire expert witnesses,                           
contracted out from private sector to support the state's                      
case on these disputes.                                                        
                                                                               
Returning to the original capital budget packet, the                           
committee took up MENTAL HEALTH TRUST LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN.                    
Mr. Bus explained the $530,000 request as part of a five-                      
year assets management strategy to develop and implement the                   
direction of the trustees to deal with asset management for                    
the mental health land issues.  This project would fund                        
hiring of contractors for technical expertise to value and                     
inventory assets, perform feasibility and marketing                            
research, develop real estate plan prospectives, etc. said                     
Mr. Bus.  The mental health board approved the funding.                        
                                                                               
The final DNR request was $15,000 for MUNICIPALITY AND                         
BOROUGH SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.  As a state landowner, the                        
department was getting involved with local improvement                         
districts, explained Mr. Bus.  Most of the time the state                      
did not participate in these activities, but given the                         
democratic process, when the property owner decided to do a                    
local area improvement district, the state was assessed a                      
portion of the cost.  Past appropriation for these projects                    
had been exhausted and the department currently had a $2000                    
assessment from the Mat-Su Borough.  Mr. Bus anticipated                       
that this $15,000 could be used for the next seven to eight                    
years to pay for some of the small local area improvement                      
district assessments.                                                          
                                                                               
This concluded the presentation by DNR.  There was no other                    
department presentations taken at the meeting.                                 
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted there was no Senate Finance Committee                     
meeting scheduled for the following Monday.  There were no                     
other announcements except Co-Chair Sharp's stated intent to                   
finish departmental presentations on the capital budget the                    
next Saturday.                                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp adjourned the meeting at approximately                          
12:30 p.m.                                                                     
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